in his eight years in office he was at the center of vigorous debate over foreign policy and penhanced interrogation. we discussed the criticism. bush administration's record. the obama administration if they were listening to you now, as they -- >> i doubt it. >> they would say, you know what, one of our foreign policy successes is, it was a terrible attitude toward the united states because of iraq. we've had to rebuild confidence in the united states. that was the legacy of the bush administration. >> and the question is? >> what do you say to that? >> well -- >> he claimed that as a single lar foreign policy achievement. >> i think the president came to power with a world view that's different. >> how? >> the sense that he wanted to reduce u.s. influence in the world, wanted to take us down a peg, that he felt -- >> he hasn't said that he wants to reduce u.s. influence in the world. >> no, but -- >> never have i heard him say i want to reduce the u.s. influence in the world. >> you never heard him call himself a liberal before the election. >> everything that comes out of you today